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Me and my brother have been working on these remakes of old political posters and have decided we'll be posting them in waves of 10 on this topic. Criticism is encouraged, and if you see something wrong with the picture let us know and we'll try our best to touch it up. I will admit, as of now, they are all Swarm based, and amateurly edited. But I didn't feel the Swarm forums were the right place to post them in. Here's the first wave. The top 5 are mine, the bottom 5 are my brothers.

http://db.tt/1ts2mGO3

http://db.tt/XLbDYb89

http://db.tt/QbJqsQro

http://db.tt/amnpKmTv

http://db.tt/NpFOGVt8

http://db.tt/gdzPOb7a

http://db.tt/t3WjuuKh

http://db.tt/6RfUvgLN

http://db.tt/W685efJS

http://db.tt/y7gUYJtr

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Bore the pro swarm stance does not help your cause try getting faceless versions you may garner hatred from me if it is going against faceless.

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Lol. Hey now I was honest in saying they were all Swarm. Hehehe. That flag one was fun though. And took a bit of time. If you guys wanted to make some suggestions we could try and make some from scratch. :D

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These are fantastic. Are the originals public domain images? Just wondering if there are any issues with posting some on Facebook. Or did you make them from scratch. Not sure what "remake" means.

WAY COOL!

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Ah yea I forgot to post the originals. I did remake them from other "actual" propoganda posters, and one was even from an Avatar the Last Airbender advertisement. I meant to ask if copyright issues would be something to worry about. I can try and find all the originals if you wish. :) I found them all on either google, or Bing though so I guess you could say they are public domain?

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I don't think having the originals helps. Is anyone an expert on this? At what point does a modified image become "original" art? This isn't my field, so I'm not sure.

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I believe it is considered a "derivative work" because it contains major elements from the original piece. It's late and I don't have the patience to read through this, or research it more at the moment (sleep beckons, but I must launch!), but here's a link to a wikipedia article regarding the issue.

Also, these are pretty cool :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work

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Thanks Crackerjack! :D Haha. I scrolled through it and got the gist of it. Looks like your right its a derivative of the originals. Though. My mind is also a bit tired atm and all that technical talk has got my brain fried. Haha. So I'm not sure on how it would relate to copyright infringement/plagiarism, but it had two cases for reference. One was a case with an Uncle Sam character coin bank. Well a different company came up with the same Uncle Sam model with a moldable plastic or something of the sort. Because of the almost copy of the design. They had to stop production, for copyright laws. I can't remember the other case now but both were handled by the supreme court and the other case i forgot was won by the person with the derivative work, because it was original enough for its own copyright. See as far as non-profit creations, and what determines an "original" artwork out of a derivative, i have no idea. Perhaps someone with a nack for the whole law thing could jump in? :D

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In high school me and 3 friends made over 1000 t-shirts of gears of war, halo, super Mario, Charlie brown, WoW and a bunch other random game and artsy related shirts. After we had a decent stockpile and 6 months worth of work every day(for some of us) we started selling them in our school. In the arts & crafts club. After splitting a lil over a thousand in profit for each we took to eBay, got stupid and greedy. That's when Microsoft jumped in told us to stop or they would sue. We took the side of "oh, were just harmless teenagers". Stopped selling them online and sold the rest of our stock we made about 9k between before we stopped altogether....

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Haha. Would you believe me if I told you my brother brother and I sell shirts with custom choices memes on them? xD Haha. We don't get that industrious as supertrampoline.. Er.. Giantspringboard put it. Hehe. Thanks for the help though Acruxionus. :D

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Copyright infringement is part of plagiarism. According to what I learned in a college course, if your product or idea can not be proven to be original (guilty until proven innocent in this case...) and an argument can be made that it adversely affected profits (whether distributed for free or profit) it can be subjected to lawsuit and jail time. I am not a lawyer and have not had a conversation with one, just going off memory. I will ask my brother about it. He is going to school for contract law.

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I don't think having the originals helps. Is anyone an expert on this? At what point does a modified image become "original" art? This isn't my field, so I'm not sure.

According to what my brother just told me, any use of any copyrited image or material, no matter the size, is still infringment. So the answer to the question, "At what point does a modified image become "original" art? As long as any part of it is recognizable, it doesn't become original art.

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That's what I've picked up. Though I doubt this will effect their profit in any way, nor that they'll come after me with a lawsuit. This is probably considered infringement. And I don't think it would look very good on your fb, as far as proffessionality goes. Thanks anyways! The fact you were going to put it on their makes me and my brother feel good about our creations! Thanks everyone for your awesome help. :)

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Here's the functional deal as far as I know: "derivative work" is mostly ok depending on use and changes. Here's the things to stick to: Don't attempt to make any money off of their printing or use, and be ready to take the items down or remove them immediately upon request. The only thing I ever hear anybody getting in trouble for is if they print off derivative work and attempt to pass it off as their own and make money off it. If nobody is making revenue off of the use of the artwork, it gives the holders of whatever applicable copyrights very little reason to pursue damages. In regard to these items, I wouldn't worry about it, as the quality is well below professional print quality and that in itself usually seems to be an element that avoids raising too many flags. All in all, I think they're all probably fine.

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